you're watching open Agenda here's our
host Joe White welcome to open Agenda
I'm your host Joe White and in this
episode we're going to review the Safari
of the Quarry from the beginnings when
theou was first discovered by the public
throughout the time of the County
Council became involved and even some of
the aftermath of the Safari at the
Quarry in the studio with me today is
our executive producer Joe venosa Joe
thanks for coming in thanks for having
me Joe so let's recap cuz this has been
about a year U little maybe 13 months
that this whole process is has played
out and I think it's sometimes you have
a tendency to forget some of the details
early on but we're going to get a chance
to look at the video and really hear
what people had to say in real time yeah
so uh the the very first step on theou
was when Casey Taylor who is the HOA
president at Shadow Hills came to the uh
September 19th County council meeting
and I think at this time she has no idea
who's responsible for booking the Safari
of the quar she just saw a Facebook post
correct and actually you're going to see
generally this sort of ongoing theme of
no one in the community be it at Shadow
Hills or throughout the county or even
the County Council is aware of anything
unless they hear about it on Facebook
first yeah so it's sort of like ruled by
social media well unless the County
Council was going to do a contract with
someone like a Livewire media then there
would have to be a work work session
public hearing correct the rules are are
different right so we're we're finding
that out all together right exactly so
let's roll to the video uh we're going
to see Casey Taylor's very first
comments on September 19th and then also
her uh followup on October 3rd and I
think you get a chance to see just how
much she's uh caught up on the
information my name is Casey Taylor and
I'm a homeowner in the Shadow Hills
development and I'm also the president
of the Shadow Hills homeowners
association our development is located
off a Conley Mill Road in delmare
Maryland in 2017 our HOA came to the
County Council to voice our support for
accepting of the donation of land
adjoining our development common
commonly known as the pits this land was
valued at over $1 million at the time
was previously used as a borrow pit for
the construction of the bypass in the
years after it became became a local
nuisance because of outof town land
owners and locals using the area for
off-roading with trucks ATVs and dirt
bikes it was brought to our attention
last week in a Facebook post
advertising Safari at the Quarry with a
24 or 74 acre Trails obstacle Fields
hangout area the post continued that it
is without doubt the perfect Gathering
location for family friends friends and
off-road Enthusiast what was the
approved approval process how did this
happen without public
notice since speaking at the last
council meeting the county Executives
office reached out regarding our
concerns we learned that the County's
executive office signed into anou
agreement with Live Wire media LLC on
September 2nd
2023 we were able to attain
a copy of this mou and after reading it
there were several concerns as
homeowners and taxpaying citizens with
this mou on September 28th and I'm not
sure if you guys are aware of this but
it says that the county is to provide
Manpower equipment to assist with
setups no mention of reimbursement to
the county Manpower and uh we believe
that Manpower and Equipment hours uh
used for this event should be documented
and charged to Livewire it also states
that states that the county shall
receive 10% of the net profit of this
each event it does not state that
Livewire needs to provide it does state
that Livewire needs to provide a report
to the county about events including
accounting of Revenue and
expenses my name is Bill Harden I've
been living in Shadow Hills development
for like 16 years um I've seen a number
ofus written in my former job as state
trooper for 25 years chief of police you
know at a certain city and theou that I
viewed that was written up by the county
executive to me does not appear to be
and I'm not an attorney it just doesn't
appear to be legally um sufficient or
legally sound it's very important and
I've stressed this for years that before
you do anything in a neighborhood you
have to have Community
input if the community is not for
it it should not be done shovel through
it let us know what is or what isn't
we're not really sure what the true
expenses are we really are uh not sure
what the obligations are to the county
as a whole and uh in addition to that we
want to make sure that um uh should this
event take place that it will be an
event that um is amicable to the
neighboring communities because that is
important that was as you suggested
tonight Mr Taylor that was one of the
key points as to why the county took
this over because there was so much
trouble with the dirt bikes in that
neighborhood and uh for once they were
going to get a reprieve and the county
was going to take it over um you know
you're going to have an event it s it
looks like it's being established for a
longterm maybe quite a few events
possibly over several months I'm curious
as to how we're going to be able to
continue to transfer uh the uh the load
of dirt that we need at the landfill how
are we going to make that work um there
there's a lot of unanswered questions
that I think is the public would like to
know more about as well and this is that
public venue for for
everyone so that was Casey Taylor on
this on the September 19th and the
October 3rd uh County Council meetings
in her own words really talking about
the surprise right and then this shoty
that was signed with livewired media mhm
at the November 7th meeting it was
discovered that there was going to be a
work session with livewired media and
the county executive initially had asked
for it to be at the daytime meeting on
November 21st we're going to go here to
listen to La hurle talk about how
they're actually going to move it to a
more convenient time for the general
public are are we uh going to have a
work session on the Safari with live
live wire is that yeah I I just I think
it's the next meeting right yeah I just
wanted to make sure the
people in the audience knew that we were
going to have one we cannot do during
the day work and we we we're trying to
work around that recognizing the day
meeting is not going to work yeah yeah
so the um County Executives office sent
the requests over specifically asking
for that work session to be at our next
meeting which would be November the 21st
I believe um but some of the council
members have expressed concerns about
having it during the day we'll move it
to December thir the first meeting in
December I think I we get we have the
time so that was really the County
Council and the P general public getting
a chance to say all right we don't
really understand what's going on here
but we're going to do a work session
maybe a little bit backwards but a work
session with Brad Hoffman from Livewire
media on the on the 5ifth were you were
you attending this meeting I did not
attend it I did watch it uh as it
happened on PC 14 okay A lot happened at
this work session yeah so uh and we're
going to go to the video here in just a
second but basically Brad Hoffman who's
the principal for Livewire media uh
who's actually hosting this event has
theou with the county executive is now
going back and discussing how it will
work he admits that he never spoke with
the community at Shadow Hills um he does
mention though Joe and I want you to
speak to this he says that Mikel Dalene
who is now the president of HOA at
Shadow Hills is on board with it after
speaking with him is that accurate uh
that is about as accurate as saying that
the Chicago White sock had a good season
in 2024 um no it is not accurate in any
way shape or form yeah I mean all the
times I've heard her speak publicly and
privately I've never heard her be in
favor of this it's interesting that he
would almost put words in her mouth
particularly when as we're going to see
you know and and as happens anyway other
committee members can give public
comments at a County council meeting and
set their record straight yeah well you
talk about putting words in people's
mouth uh Julie gardano the county
executive actually insinuates the Mike
Lewis the county sheriff is on board
with this event um we're going to play
the video that explains exactly how he
feels now that didn't come until April
but we're going to put that in there
finally uh Brad Hoffman actually uh says
that he'll pay for the county sheriffs
if you know if need be and U my
understanding is this event has not made
any money so I wonder if he has oh we
can roll the footage and confirm exactly
what was said so I tell you what let's
let's go to the footage now let's see
exactly what Brad Alman has to say what
Julie gardano has to say in her own
words and what Sheriff Mike Lewis has to
say first item on the agenda is a
discussion with Mr Hoffman from Live
Wire media good evening Council
appreciate the opportunity to come here
and speak about our plans over there at
the Quarry location uh my name is Brad
Hoffman I know you guys have some
questions and I'm here to kind of clear
up any misperceptions about what we're
going to be hopefully doing over there I
guess the best idea first is to show you
guys a short video that we created to
kind of give you a feeling for um what
the event will look like and what types
of vehicles I'll go into in the
presentation here to the questions and I
apologize I never smoke or spoke to the
um Community member back there I would
answered any of these questions I'm
always a good neighbor I treat any
facilities or venues that I deal with
like it's my house with respect and I
admire the relationship and with the
community so I wish I would have known
and been able to speak with um the lady
that came up earlier and spoke I did
speak to Mel dalan I think and she and I
had a great conversation I think she's
the incoming Community president I just
tried to clear up any misperceptions
about the facility what would we be
doing over there how would it be managed
um and she seemed to be in favor of the
event because she had a better feeling
after the conversation than she did
before without any
information um estimated maybe 100 to
150 Jeeps 200 Jeeps will come in that's
about 3 or 400 people that will come in
it'll be a multiple Day event um the
next question was they're all street
legal Jeeps insured and tagged and not
modified like you would see at a mud hop
or a drag strip or anything like that um
would your people have that Authority on
a on on a public road as far as traffic
we would also be reaching out to the the
county sheriff's department to work with
them so the sheriff has already been
made aware of the event and so he just
said you know let us know and uh we'll
make sure that we have staff out there
Sher the sheriff has said he'll have
staff out there yeah uh how long ago was
that that that was like in our meeting
with him in our office so he he's aware
of the event um and you know so I can
tell you I um while I'm up here I was
never asked to support this event
because I don't support the event I
don't I've never I
don't um I and I was never asked my
opinion about having this event I'm
saying this because I've been told that
in comments made to this group that I
supported this
event is that true well let me make one
thing perfectly clear wow I have never
been involved in any discussion ever
other than being told it was going to
happen and we'll keep you posted that's
all she does my my opinion was never s i
don't support it but I promise you this
there will be deputies additional
deputies that are going to be paid to
work that day in Shadow Hills to protect
your development you know what what
obligation that would uh that would be
as far as the count is concerned as far
as expenses how many how many how many
deputies are going to be required what
the costs are going to be I think it'll
just depend um we actually wanted to get
more so the numbers so once we figure
out who's registered then it would
determine on how many deputies were
needed um and it would just be
considered um you know the same
depending on who's on the shift um if it
was an overtime event it would be you
know there you it's in their budget to
do it and it's well I mean the reason I
asked is because if the sheriff's
department work at the center Salsbury
if the sheriff's department um has
responsibilities with uh at other
organizations they are reimbursed by
that and I'm assuming that yeah I would
do that I would make sure that cover the
cost on that to make sure that if they
have to come in and work the area that's
leading off of Cony Mill Road into the
site that I would make sure that I take
care of the sheriff's department on
those costs security needed to have for
the event then I'll pay for those guys
to be out there I utilize the site in a
way that's respectful and and make it
enjoyable for the families and uh
individuals that come and do this at my
other events and they're excited about
it um I did mention the event uh so I
just making sure we answer the questions
that were brought up earlier the I think
the first one was how far from homes or
residential property that's an excellent
question so we did some uh Google
mapping and literally from the closest
vehicle it's over a football field away
I guess to the uh Administration I guess
how do we verify or I I see that we're
it'd be a 10% net profit yes um is that
a do we do we get a base level uh money
plus net 10% net or how do we I guess
how do we verify that we get a um that
you know I'll bring all the registration
information from my registration model
and then show the council or well show
Julie all the dollarss that have come
into the event and then that would base
off of the cost of like the sheriff's
department and any other cost that we
have for the event you what were the
positives what were the negatives what
was the community you know was it worth
it um and so um I've known Brad a really
long time um and so I I I feel very
confident in the product that he's going
to bring um but if it doesn't work out
and it's not something that we want to
do again then it'll just be the one
event you know we'll make a little bit
of money which is a positive and we did
meet with the chamber in Salsbury and
they're really excited about it and I
think are they going to be on a track or
anything you want to say as far as the
yeah trails are already I guess
established over the period of years at
the property they're well marked and we
basically keep them on a track yes so
that's the plan is not they don't go off
the trail line and and we said it
earlier
whoa Joe I think that Jeep's
lost it's slightly off course a little
bit off course this isn't a black
diamond it's it's more of a green hill
at this point and then um obviously when
we leave me as the production company we
will clean up and take anything that we
come in with out with us and then I
think like Julie says it's up to the
county um at that point we've locked the
gates now locked at the front right so
so we've had Steve Miller out there as
well so Steve is you know obviously the
department head for that so tourism will
be I mean obviously brought in um when
it comes down to it but again it's one
of those things we're waiting to see how
many people register and then what we're
doing but Steve has been made aware did
you wonder why it was written for 364
days instead of of a year
365 was there a reason yes there there
was a reason okay and he's very aware of
the reason he is can you tell me what
the reason is Mr Hoffman I believe to go
year by year with it it's not a year
it's 36 it's one day less than a year oh
I I just thought that it was because we
wanted to do this make it it happen and
then revisit it before the year was
out it was written that way so it
wouldn't have to come in front of the
council that's the way it was correct
Julie well I mean that was one of the
reasons all right um I wanted to bring
this event because I wanted to do
something and bring it and have it be
successful and it's going to be
successful so we are still in a work in
progress yes the event is going to
happen but we are making the public
aware and I apologize that it didn't go
in the order that people think it should
it was advertised and I'm sorry that
your phone blew up but it's just the way
that it happened and look you know
either County Roads or or um public
works department or whatever has got to
um provide that manpower to assist that
so at what point does it start costing
the county money to do that so we I I
guess maybe this should be more specific
so the Manpower and equipment to assist
with event setup is happening literally
right now so we needed to secure the
site anyway and that's part of what they
needed as well so we wanted it that he
doesn't have the machines that we do so
we knew that we were going to secure the
site which is also helping okay so but
what is in writing is that the
conversion to turn it into a park was
turned down by Council so we had talked
about you know wck and Parks had talked
about converting this into that and it
was voted down
so in this aspect of it being low impact
this is low impact literally when the
Jeep
on wa wait program Open Space go ahead
program Open Space was going to be moved
from West Metro to this facility and
that was not that we didn't turn down we
didn't turn down a low impact part for
that that area well anyway this still is
low impact we didn't turn it down
they're learning so this is low impact
it's literally going to be left the same
exact way that it is now to have two
days I I would consider that out of 365
I would feel like that's low impact that
depends on the neighbor I don't want to
put words in your mouth but you would
consider including us on the next
contract so we can have
some a little bit of say a little bit of
opinion understanding would you
understanding would
you would you be willing to do that I
considerate yeah of course well
and so in the December 5th work session
that is what was said in real time at
that at that point in history I don't
think there's much disputing that there
was a lot of misinformation and there
was a lot of folks who were putting
words in other people's mouths what do
you think absolutely I mean the video
doesn't lie so let's fast forward to the
March 19th meeting now uh at this point
there's been three months of the
community trying to work with the county
executive trying to get some changes and
amendments made to this event mostly
because their their uh concerns were
never asked beforehand and I think this
is where you see Mel Dalene get up to
the podium and really talk in a
passionate way about really I guess the
way the county executive has kind of put
her in her place and basically said this
event's going to
happen like it or leave it right yep is
this about the time you started to get
involved it's about the time that I
started to uh notice I would say sort of
the the unique uh and frankly dangerous
level of power that is vested in this
particular County's executive office
because hearing the testimony of
residents and taxpayers who talk about
being straight up attacked uh by elected
officials with no recourse I think that
was the thing that for me really sort of
spoke to the level of uh concern well
let's listen to Mel darene and just
exactly what she had to say I am here
today to put on the public record an
extremely distressing phone call that I
received from Miss gordano on March 5th
2024 upon receiving the call from Miss
girano I was initially hopeful that she
intended to have a productive
conversation regarding our communities
concerns unfortunately this was not the
case I can only describe the
conversation that ensued as being
intensely hostile and intimidating Miss
gardano immediately took an adversarial
posture and literally began the
conversation by yelling at me and
continued to do so for 8 to 10 minutes
Miss gardano yelled that we had no right
to question her actions or what the
county does with its own land I would
also remind miss gardano that the
citizens of wak Comico County own that
land and is not her personal possession
to dispense with at her whim Miss
gardano yelled you all need to just stop
no matter what you do this event is
going to happen whether you like it or
not this statement was made with a clear
intent to intimidate we will not stop we
will continue to strenuously oppose
these events through every appropriate
channel available Mr Yordano loudly
rebuked our efforts to appeal to the
County Council and to speak publicly at
Council meetings for once again this was
an inexcusable attempt to intimidate us
into silence as a former sexual assault
services coordinator responsible for
four counties in Virginia I interfaced
with many different government officials
both elected and bureaucratic on issues
of legislative advocacy although at
times we represented different sides of
a given issue never had I been spoken to
by a public official in such a
disrespectful and malicious manner as M
Yordano spoke to me during this call I
therefore asked the County Council to
consider any available remedies to
censure or reprimand Miss gordano for
Behavior un becoming of a government
official I a taxpayer and responsible
city of Wako County and never should
have been subjected to such verbal abuse
I thank you today for your time I'm
Heather Langford I am the County's
engineer and sort of the point person
for this project um I think I'd like to
put some things at rest for you guys um
I actually just left the site with mde
mining uh there has been nothing out of
compliance
in their purview I'm I'm not sure uh we
we've had calls or MD has had calls
concerning massive ramps being built and
endangered species again they come out I
just left the site right before I got
here um in the midst of some of these
comments and um none of that is there I
just want to say to the folks of the
Shadow Hills that are here you know I
want you to know I know you I know you
all have better things I I deeply
apologize you know behalf we're the
legislative Ranch there's you know we're
not the executive Ranch but my goodness
you didn't deserve to be to to uh to to
have that kind of a um the way things
have been handled it could not have gone
any worse it should not be gone that way
if this were come up to the vote right
now for the council it'd be unanimous
and and quite powerfully uh saying no
but
uh so that was Mel in in her own words
it was kind of hard to watch I mean this
is someone who's a mom she's a she's a
wife she's just a resident taxpayer in
the county and is completely being shut
out by part of her government without
any checks or balances no transparency
no balances nothing uh now on April 2nd
Mike Goldberg actually gives a very
impactful speech just really about how
this event has impacted his life and I
think later on he he does have a runin
with Heather Langford and Julie gardano
at the access road but I also think you
get a chance to hear from from Heather
lford herself some of the misstatements
basically saying that well the the
mining uh overseers said that there's
nothing wrong out there but they don't
go outside the purview of the the pit
itself so let's let's listen into what
Mike Goldberg and Heather lingford had
to say good evening I'm Mike Goldberg I
reside in delmare in the shadow Hill
subdivision I'm speaking this evening in
regard to the off-road vehicle event
Safari at the Quarry to take place at
the proposed conell Mill site in delmare
as we're all aware the county executive
Julie G erano singlehandedly entered
into a contract with Livewire media to
Stage multiple off-road vehicle events
at the Connelly Mill property the
memorandum of understanding of
understanding was not an arms length
contract as the county executive has
admitted to being long acquainted with
Livewire principal Brad Hoffman it has
become clear that too much power has
been vested in in the office of the
county executive under the current
Charter no citizen of why kamico County
should be deprived of the quiet
enjoyment of their homes or suffer
diminishment of property values at the
whim of a single individual who
exercises power recklessly and without
regard for the human consequences
Heather Langford um you can speak as
loud as you like but you're incorrect
about a lot of things um I called the
police on him
I am only here to State some factual
information as the engineer And to
clarify a few items um the taxpayers
expenditures related to this event
include personal hours police support
for Traffic Control roll fencing
Manpower and equipment to assist the
with event setup and marketing support
to date the county has overestimated
approximately
$1,064 has been spent for the event by
the county the county does not make the
obstacle course have rolled fencing or
do marketing support as claimed in the
petition this is all Livewire media
financially supported hi I'm Craig
stafco um retired director of Department
of Health for Somerset County retired
six years ago uh having been a health
officer for many years uh I've written
dozens of mmus I've signed hundreds
thousands when I first saw this m you I
I thought it was a rough draft I don't
say I thought it was a joke but I
thought it was a rough draft um when I
realized it wasn't I I reviewed it and
I'm still amazed and and contend that
it's the most shabby piece of work I've
ever seen in my life but that
notwithstanding when you look at the
their own
numbers this Mau is set up so that one
person is set to gain somewhere in the
vicinity of
$100,000 where
I find it impossible that the county can
can break even on this but I'll give
them the benefit of the doubt and and
say they do the county gets zero so an
mou is set up where One
individual is going to make a 100 Grand
the county gets
nothing as a health
officer I always operated under if
there's even the
potential to be perceived conflict
interest shut it down potential for
perceived conflict of interest and here
we have a guy whose only qualification
of using taxpayer funded land and
equipment is that he's longtime friends
with the county executive I just think
that's absurd with all due respect to
the the Safari at the Quarry I think the
council would have wanted to see that
agreement uh before they approved it
because
with due respect the agreement was
terrible first of all just on the Safari
Kari I second that if we could cancel
the event I certainly think we should uh
I am one of the very first votes I took
as a council member um was to accept
this property uh and then to have it be
or to be used that to use that property
for um they're going to pull soil off of
it and then it was become going to
become a park so that's what we were
planned for that's was so um this whole
whole other uses is completely foreign
to
that we had a chance to listen to Mike
Goldberg and Heather Langford and just
before we came back uh Craig stco who's
also a resident in Shadow Hills spoke
about uh his experience withus and his
his interpretation of this mou I think
he really does break it down really well
at the end of the day theou is because
Brad Hoffman's is friends with Julie
gardano well and that's not even and not
to put words in the executive mouth
because that's what she says several
times so uh the fact that that was
admitted sort of just makes the the
level just of of this whole ordeal all
the more shocking now Craig says he's
not a lawyer and that's true but Bob
Benson is and uh on May 7th Bob Benson
actually goes to theou breaks it down
the the strengths and the weaknesses and
the weaknesses are many uh he has a
chance to really give an attorney's
opinion of the Safari at the Quarry mou
but then it was really interesting uh
Josh Hastings who is a a county
councilman uh also said that basically
if this had this event and this mou had
come to them it was almost likely to be
voted down and yet it never did MH so
Julie really kind of has a has a a big
reaction to to these events really she
apologizes to Brad Hoffman then she also
kind of accuses the County Council of
changing the course of that of that uh
was supposed to be a park at Conley Mill
which actually didn't happen um John
Canon takes some time I don't want to
listen to him too explain the real
process of what is meant to be at Conley
Mill Park but I was not going to put
this County in a state to where a
lawsuit for a breach of contract could
happen I'm not going to do it I was not
elected to waiver or I wasn't elected to
waiver at the first sight of adversity
what kind of leader would I be I will
not change my stance on something that I
know is the right thing to do for
someone in the room I'm not going to
speak out on something that I don't have
all the facts because of political
pressure and I absolutely will not cater
to any group to just tell them what they
want to hear if any elected official
does that congratulations you are a true
politician there are many in this room
that have jumped to conclusions ignored
the facts created their own narratives
and I am going to say this one more time
at no point ever has my administr stated
that we are against the property at
connley Mill eventually becoming a park
the decision to hold off on this was
done prior to my Administration and
prior to this Council in this email
lastly the County Council is the reason
they're talking about connley Mill the
County Council is the reason the
property did not live forward I think
they mean move she meant move forward as
a park in 2021 before I took
office this ecologically valuable site
is only only used to mine dirt for our
landfill and will continue to be that at
the council's request now this is a
statement saying that the council has
requested in
2021 that connley Mill be nothing more
than a mining pit um couldn't be
anything further from the
truth in terms of the the land and and
what happened to it um my biggest
disappointment was the night to that all
the Jeep people came and we were kind of
pitted against one another and their
contention was that they left the
property in as good or better condition
than they found it but what they failed
to mention was that at this time last
year there
was one mile almost exactly one mile of
trails back there today and you can go
online and compare the the satellite
images today there 3 and2 miles of
trails back there the number of trees
that that had to
be cut down in order to make these
Trails is impossible to count um to to
answer Mike's question will it be
restored to its
original um condition Mother Nature is
doing the best she can um I still go
back there every day but um no one ever
told me I couldn't so I still go back
there all the time um Mother Nature is
overgrowing those Trails but the trees
that were cut down are gone and most of
them were little trees but when you kill
a little tree it it never gets a chance
to be a big tree so uh very unfortunate
that uh in addition to the lack of
transparency through this whole thing by
by certain people there was a a great
deal of of
disingenuousness um to to say that that
the land wasn't impacted and they left
it in better condition is absurd when
they added more than two miles of new
trails and I'm not saying they made the
new trails I don't know who made the new
trails but the fact that obstacles were
built on these new trails using gigantic
Tire tractors railroad ties uh hard
pressed to believe that anyone's ever
going to go back there and remove
those that
construction uh from the forest so again
thank you we really appreciate your work
on this thank you for listening to the
people so that's the history of safari
of the Quarry I mean right now we are
still as of October 2024 we're still
waiting for the numbers Maybe does the
county have any net proceeds from this
event Joe what's your thoughts yeah I
can remember when the event ended the
initial I guess performs by the
executive and uh her assistant Mr bunkey
luffman had stated that there were these
massive um you know filled parking lots
uh in the hotels all over the area which
according to what we've heard though is
not necessarily true because it's our
understanding that the event lost money
I mean at least unofficially that's what
the position has been so which means the
County lost money the the county
taxpayers and that's not even counting
the the manow and the equipment that
were used from Public Works which we
don't actually know about correct
there's no we don't know yet but I I
think that that answer is going to come
interesting um I think one of the really
key aspects here is we want to continue
to attend the County Council meetings we
still want to ask questions we want to
be respectful but at the same time I do
think we are owed answers and we're owed
account
ability so how do you feel like this
really circles back to question a I mean
how does this involve question a well I
think the essence of what question a is
all about is distilled in this one
situation because when we look at the
fact that we have a very in many ways
out of control executive office that can
function without any real accountability
without any real transparency without
any oversight of the public and can
operate sort of uh at the discretion of
one single person on decisions that
affect our environment our taxpayers our
property values our Public Safety it
really shows you that one event can just
um demonstrate why this question is so
important for it to pass maybe be a case
study it is a case study it is a great
lesson that I think any teacher would be
proud to show as evidence so thank you
for watching this episode of open Agenda
appreciate you taking a look back at the
Safari at the Quarry we'll be back next
week with another another episode have a
great
night I know what I'm doing man
