On the Friday evening edition of OPEN AGENDA (8/8/25--S2 E32) we discuss the “Maryland Coordinated Permit Review Process” whereby the State of Maryland will directly fund developers for what it considers to be “high priority projects,” thus bypassing local control. Does Annapolis know what's best for us or should we be determining our own destiny? Also, significant legislation was approved at this past week's County Council meeting. The Council's emergency legislation addressing the landfill “crisis” was passed unanimously, which codifies the days/hours of landfill operation, prohibits out-of-county trash, and imposes severe financial penalties for non-compliance. The County Executive has purportedly signed this legislation, which, among other things, prevents the implementation of her absurd plan to phase-in closure of the landfill to commercial haulers. Additionally, the Council overrode the Executive's veto of legislation requiring all county-owned vehicles to display permanently affixed decals depicting the county seal so that they can be readily identified. This legislation will help to prevent unauthorized personal use of county-owned vehicles, and was necessary because it has been well-documented that the Executive used her unmarked vehicle for campaigning (which is prohibited by law) and other personal uses. Why should the general public obey the rules when the Executive frequently ignores them? We'll also inform you about next week's public meeting with State Delegate Chris Adams at the Westside Community Center, at which the prospective Wetipquin State Park will be discussed. There's a great deal of objection to the establishment of this park, which is being pushed through without the consent of affected residents. Although the County Executive has denied any involvement, all of the facts have not yet been revealed. Finally we'll bring you up to date on Salisbury Mayor Randy Taylor's traffic incident with a pedestrian last week, in which there were no injuries. The incident is presently under investigation by law enforcement and the results should soon be released. Meanwhile, anonymous social media “keyboard warriors” who oppose Mayor Taylor are using this incident to score cheap political points even though it has nothing to do with politics. Tune in and be informed.
Open Agenda TV: S2 E32 Keeping the Landfill Open
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>> Welcome to Open Agenda. I'm your host,
Joe White. Today's episode, we're going
to cover some of the local politics for
both Salsbury and Wakamako County.
starting with some of the legislation
that came out from the governor's office
about funding of local projects, the
legislation that's going to be
considered by the county council and
also an update on some of the
information we've been hearing coming
about the traffic incident concerning
the uh mayor of Salsbury, Randy Taylor.
In order to talk about that, brought in
Dr. Joe Venosa from Salsbury, Mr. Mike
Goldberg from Mardella. Thank you,
gentlemen.
>> Hey, how you? So Joe, I want to talk
first about this legislation that came
out with or not legislation but uh from
Yeah. policy. Yeah. Policy. Yeah.
>> Can you can you talk a little bit about
it?
>> Sure. So this broke uh today and again
just for clarification, we're filming on
Tuesday uh August 5th. So essentially um
this is breaking news. Uh but what came
out uh and was reported to local media
very recently uh was that there is a
series of quote high priority projects
um that the governor's office will uh
essentially transfer funds to for
economic development
>> and that's through this program the
Maryland coordinated permit review
process.
>> Yeah. Basically, it's a way and again
permitting form is is a big thing all
over the country, frankly, all over the
world in a lot of nations where there is
that kind of bureaucracy. Uh, you know,
huge concerns about development,
environmental issues, and so this is not
a particularly new uh thing as far as
>> you said have it in New Jersey now,
right?
>> They're trying. Well, I mean, they they
want more of it for obvious reasons, but
but you know, the whole idea of
permitting reform is essentially to get
projects to move quicker, right? That's
the that's the sort of key goal
especially when it comes to housing and
economic development. Now the issue here
is this. Traditionally when cities or
towns or any kind of municipality is
engaging in an economic enterprise the
developers and the authorities are going
to you know engage in an LDA.
Essentially an LDA is part of the
broader set of agreements that happen in
terms of how a project is done, how it's
financed. like I'm going to build 200
units on this piece of property and 180
parking spots next to it. Okay.
>> Absolutely. So that's been something
that Salsbury has certainly engaged in
in the past and in the last 8 to 10
years it's really been sort of going at
at at full scale
>> kind of going back to Jake Day's
>> well that that essentially was Jake
Day's political existence was
theoretically economic development. Um
now here's the concern. What this new
policy uh does, it basically it takes
the authority away from cities and
municipalities
to work with those LDA agreements as a
matter of giving the funding to the
developers.
>> So the state has the money, right?
>> And the city of Salsbury wants to put
through the vetting process, right?
>> The state would now according to this
new policy be able to give the developer
the money directly without using the
local government. they just transfer the
money right to the developer. Now,
whether or not this is going to impact
things like actual zoning laws or
historic district commission
stipulations, that's yet to be seen. But
the key takeaway here is that basically
local governments have been bypassed to
give developers the money. Uh now, the
question is, okay, if they can use that,
what's going to happen? But if they
can't use that, does it just mean that
that state money, which is our tax
money, does it just sit there in an
account in perpetuity?
>> Well, well, Mike, you've covered two
stories in the last few months that I
think relate to this. One being the the
planning and zoning meeting in in
November of 24 for the uh density
increase in Salsbury, but also the
biodeiesel refinery out on Atkins Road.
M
>> I mean that's a situation where the
state gave a a developer of this
biodeiesel refinery money directly and
that that gentleman usurped local laws.
I mean lied on on um permits. U how does
this make you feel knowing that now the
state's almost doubling down on the fact
that they just want to give money
directly to these developers? We have a
big problem in Maryland when they're
taking taking control of a local area
away from local people. Uh and certainly
Annapolis does not make themselves
accessible to folks in Wcomako County
particularly uh
>> even with the county executive.
>> Yeah, even with the county executive.
>> She was in DC, not the capital.
>> That's right. Wrong wrong capital.
>> But it's u you know they're the other
side of the bay. They have a, you know,
very different perspective on governance
and uh, you know, different um,
perspective on what I think most local
people view is what the future of our
county, her traditions, our culture.
>> They couldn't possibly know from over
there.
>> Well, they they couldn't. And
>> don't we have the secretary of housing
from Salsbury?
>> Well, Jake Day, right? And and but I I
think we've shown that that's the
problem when you
>> and and he's come out in support of of
like the hotel over on Lock 10 where
it's like we just give them the money.
Well, it's not it's not his money to
give away.
>> And it's really it's it's Randy Taylor's
fiduciary job to say, hey, listen, I got
to make sure these things are built to
the specs that we've agreed to. And this
is part of the issue is and I don't
disagree with that and I think generally
it's a problem in most states is that
but when you have people who are
supposedly from here representing us
that are in a cabinet position in
Annapolis I think that also perverts
perhaps what people over there think
even what locals actually want here
because if you've got one person who was
the former mayor saying this is what's
needed this is what we want you know
give it to these developers some of whom
are my friends campaign contributors
okay um but that kind of creates a
narrative that that is not just
dishonest but but actually warps the
whole idea of what these projects are
intended to do.
>> Well, we have to understand that
politicians like Jake Day, even though
he may be from here, he may have been
born and raised here, he has higher
political aspirations and what he's
doing is simply, as with many people,
including in my opinion or county
executive, their positions as mayor or
county executive respectively are
nothing but a stepping stone to higher
office. So I I have to ask the question,
do they really care about us here or do
they care only about their own political
futures?
>> And doesn't it make your shoulders sore
when people are stepping on you as a
stone all the time?
>> I tell you what, don't don't like it at
all.
>> So speaking of local representation and
the ability to for the public to get
information, delegate Chris Adams is
going to be at the Westside Community
Center on uh Tuesday, August 12th, so
next week 6:00. And it's out in by
Valve. If you've never been out to
Westside Community Center, it's it's
actually the only community center
that's owned by the county.
>> It's a it's a neat place. It's kind of a
neat place to go out to around Christmas
time. They do a nice Christmas program
out there.
>> Uh but it's a good chance now. He's
there specifically to talk about the
state park.
>> Uh which has kind of come back up now
that they're getting ready to close that
deal. Um, we've covered that in the in
the past, but you know, we've talked
before like sometimes we're at a
disadvantage here because we're mostly
representative by the minority party
and, you know, for Wakcomo County and
our state representative or state
government,
>> but like you said, Mayor, former Mayor
Jake Day, he's he's the secretary of
housing. you would want them to have our
best interest,
>> but circumventing our local government
is does not feel like a good way of of
doing that.
>> Not in my view.
>> Well, it it's happening on on so many
different levels. I mean, clearly
there's a lot of opposition to residents
on the west side to the perspective with
Tipkan State Park. Um, but they were
ignored. Um, we saw the same thing with
the bio-refinery. I I wanna I want to
bring in Jim Atkins and I want to talk
specifically about the legislation that
our our county council is gonna gonna
consider tonight. Uh and then if Mike,
if you would come back, I I do want to
talk at least briefly about the uh the
traffic incident involving Mayor Randy
Taylor. Okay. So stay with us. We'll be
right back.
Welcome back to Open Agenda. So in to
talk about the county council meeting on
Tuesday is Mr. Dr. Jim Atkins from
Mardella. Dr. Joinosa, thanks for
sticking around.
>> Thank you.
>> So, gentlemen, there's two main
legislative items on there. They're
going to have to to discuss to to
override the veto of the vehicle
legislation that the county executive
vetoed and uh consider and and hopefully
pass the codifying of the hours for the
landfill uh which will also eliminate
out of county trash. I I want to talk
first about this vehicle legislation. Uh
this this process, Jim, started back in
November of 2023, right? Almost 2 years
ago.
>> Yep.
>> Next item on the agenda is proposed
legislation to establish procedures for
the use and operation of county owned or
leased vehicles.
>> List of complaints and concerns from
citizens asking what can be done about
um sometimes misuse, sometimes people
not understanding about cars. Main
things is um that all the county
vehicles have a seal on them. Is that a
problem with you guys?
>> I don't have a problem with it. I mean,
if you think that every car needs to
have a seal, I have no problem making
sure that the new seal is on all the I
mean, not the new seal, that the
original seal is on all the cars. I
mean, that's fine. We have to claim
whether it's business or personal
travel. We pay for that. So, it's a
fringe benefit. Like for me, for
example, when I drive to work every
single day in that Tahoe, it's personal.
It's 10 miles I have to claim that comes
on my also though I really wish that the
first time we were hearing about this
wasn't right now.
>> They had a work session with the council
county executive and the council and you
know what came out of that work session
so many years ago. Well, the work
session was the councilman basically
explaining that uh the reasoning for it
that you know the community like to uh
that they saw a local government vehicle
to know what local government it
belonged to and who was out there
whether it was their county or somebody
else and to show that the county was out
there working and they could see people
going around. and his suggestion at that
point in time was that the uh county
vehicles all have county de decals
placed on.
>> Uh the executive agreed with that. Uh
matter of fact, in a period of about 4
minutes, she agreed with it twice that
all county vehicles should have county
seals on them. Mhm.
>> That has apparently since changed uh
somewhere between November of 23 and uh
August of 25 because her vehicle still
does not have decals on it.
>> Well, that original legislation was was
went into effect on March 10th of this
year of 2025.
>> Yes. After the veto and after the
override of the veto.
>> Yeah. So, I mean they had work sessions,
they had discussion, they had public
hearings, they voted publicly. She over
she vetoed it. They overrode it and then
it still went into effect March 10th.
Yes.
>> And since March 10th to this meeting
coming up in August of 25, all the other
county vehicles have decals on them
except for the county executives.
>> And in the meantime, she's she's gotten
magnets, right?
>> Yes.
>> But that doesn't match what the
legislation is.
>> No, the the legislation said permanent
decals. Next on the agenda this evening
is the veto of legislative bill number
2025-09,
an act to amend chapter 9 titled
vehicles county to require decals to be
permanently affixed to the exterior of
both front doors of county vehicles in a
uniform manner and to exempt the circuit
court for Wakcomo County from section
99-3E.
Legislative bill 20259
was introduced on June the 17th, 2020.
Council then held a public hearing and
adopted the bill on July the 15th, 2025.
The count the legislation was then
presented to the county executive on
July the 16th. The bill was returned to
the council office on August the 1st
with the executives veto.
>> Um entertain a motion to approve
legislative bill 20250 as originally
adopted. All those in favor we'll do a
roll call. Those in favor say I.
Opposed? Nay. Councilman Holly.
>> I. Council Hastings.
>> Councilman Shields. Councilman Nennis.
>> Hi,
>> Vice President Merritt. Hi, Chair votes.
I legislative bill number 20250
passes unanimously.
>> So, Joe, you you follow almost all the
county council meetings either in person
or on pack 14.
>> That's why I'm losing my hair.
>> That's not why.
>> It's true. It's bad. Look ahead.
>> But the I mean, does this does this give
you some comfort that that there's
enough being done to protect citizens
interest or
>> I mean, it's a good start. I think like
a lot of these proposed pieces of
legislation, I think it could go much
further. Um I'm kind of blown away that
there isn't more of a of a direct
financial penalty
um with regard to violations. So, for
example, you know, why not set it at a
certain amount of money that the
employee happens to
pay the county if they are in violation?
Uh why not confiscate the vehicle? Um,
these are things that other counties
actually have done and and and and do,
not just in Maryland, but in other
states. Um, and so I'm kind of concerned
that while this is a good step in the
right direction, it's come very late and
it's still not enough.
>> But even back when Bob Culver was the
county executive,
>> he not only worked outside the rules,
but blatantly broke the rules many
times. In fact, when he passed away, the
county was
>> suing him. And at times our current
county executive has sued our own county
to to to have the right to break rules
that she's wanted like with
appointments.
>> Exactly. Exactly.
>> So realistically as a county, we should
know better at this point. There's been
>> if you have to explain it, you probably
won't get it. One penalty would be, you
know, when comes election time.
>> Well, yeah,
>> you have if you have someone who's been
in office and proven that they cannot
follow the rules, they under no
circumstances are they worthy of
anybody's vote. This is not a political
thing. We're not all in the same
political party,
>> but uh you know, if you have someone who
can't follow the rules when we're
looking,
>> you can be sure they're not following
the rules when they don't think so.
>> And to kind of put this back on the
council a bit, I not to excuse the ex
executive at all, but you know, if I
have another branch of government whose
duty it is to serve as a check and
balance, they need to actually step up
and do it.
>> Well, let's talk about the other piece
of legislation, the codifying of the
hours at the landfill. uh you know, June
30th, the executive brought to the
county a crisis um that she may have
known about for a couple weeks or maybe
several months that the landfills
running out of space in cell 8 before
cell 7's built. We know that that that
design process was delayed by her
administration.
Uh the the council's going to to
consider they're well open legislative
session where they're going to have to
consider that that that codifying of the
hours, but also codify not bringing in
out of county trash.
>> Yes. Are they going to put penalties in
that?
>> Yes, there are penalties put in that. Uh
which are spelled out very well. Uh it's
also
been been stated in the past week to
week and a half that uh since the
council has taken this project on
uh while the executive was tooling
around DC
that the uh the volume of trash coming
into the landfill has had a dramatic
dramatic drop
>> in the percent of volume that's coming
into the landfill since Somerset.
Worester County have tightened up their
regulations now and not allowing out of
county trash into their landfills and
since Wakcomo is is doing that that it's
it's a uh they've noticed a marked
difference out there in the amount of
trash coming in.
>> Well, do you think that she's going to
take credit for for this as a as a
political victory? The second item is a
public hearing on legislative bill
number 202511,
which is an emergency act to add new
sections to the Wcom County code to
codify the operating days, hours, and
locations of county sanitary, landfill,
convenience centers, and recycling
centers to require compliance for all
commercial haulers. They add definitions
to prohibit the unlawful disposal of
solid waste originating from outside of
W County, and provide penalties for
violations. Yeah, I think we have some
amendments and we were after several
work sessions on this and discussions.
We have several
>> I know we do have uh Mr. Sav is here,
Mr. Adam Corey is here as well as Mr.
Illuminati, if you want to come to the
table, please do. All those in favor of
legislative bill number 2025-11
as amended. We'll do a roll call. Sorry.
Councilman Hollow.
>> I Hastings.
>> I Shields.
>> Manis.
>> Uh Merritt
>> I. and the chair votes I of legislative
bill number 2025-11
uh as amended uh passes unanimously as
an emergency act.
>> But also we noticed that the landfill
did not close on Saturday, August 2nd.
Correct.
>> Correct. And the the haulers were not
made aware of that decision until Friday
>> with a lot of phone calls and a lot of
council people calling the executive's
office saying, "Is the landfill going to
be open tomorrow or not?" People want to
know. I think we all knew she would
ultimately surrender. She didn't want to
and that's why she waited till the last
minute, but but you know, when push
comes to shove, uh she she really um is
holding the bag on this cuz it is her
fault entirely. And so I'm glad that she
surrendered on this particular issue.
And the question becomes, is she going
to try to subvert the laws in the future
even after this legislation? Well, I'm
not as sure that she has surrendered
as she has not gone back to her typical
playbook.
>> And I'll use the board of education as
an example again.
>> The bait and switch.
>> The bait and switch and creating a
crisis and then all of a sudden swooping
in
>> and the crisis is solved. Now we have a
landfill crisis and all of a sudden here
she comes swooping in, the problem is
solved. Is so is it fair to say that she
never intended to close the landfill in
the first place?
>> Am I wrong on that? Uh
>> you'll never know.
>> We'll never know. But you'll never know.
>> Well, if you've got people on record
saying proudly that they bait and switch
the public on all times. I guess it is
true. Maybe she didn't surrender.
>> To Jim's point, was it ever her
intention to raise our property taxes
higher than they
>> than they needed to be? I mean, her own
emission is it was a bait and switch
thing. just the rest of us are here just
waiting and with baited breath to find
out.
>> The council drew a line and said this is
going to happen.
>> Mhm.
>> And it's happened, but she's she's going
to turn it around and she and her people
have saved the day. Now, I'm not I'm not
denying that. I think Adam Corey has has
had a lot to do with it. There's a lot
more thinking and planning going on in
at the landfill since he arrived and I
think probably has been done in the past
six 8 10 years but you know were they
forced into this corner where they had
to do something.
>> Yeah. The the transparency and
accountability level goes up if the if
the council stays involved you know.
>> Well speaking of that I want to bring
Mike Goldberg back in and I want to talk
about another executive in our area
Randy Taylor the mayor of Salsbury. um
publicly he had a traffic incident and
uh he was actually scheduled to come on
the show with us today. I want to talk a
little bit about the information we do
know and also maybe put a little bit of
a of a break on some of the speculation
that's already out there. So, will you
stay with us?
>> Yep.
>> So, when we come back, we're going to
bring back Michael Goldberg and talk
about Randy Taylor. So, stay with us.
We'll be right back.
>> Welcome back to Open Agenda. So, we want
to touch base on a new story that came
out on Monday. Uh, Mayor Andy Taylor was
in an accident and uh, you know, a small
accident, but uh, but uh, to talk about
that is Dr. Joe Venosa and Mr. Mike
Goldberg. Thanks for sticking around.
>> Sure. So, yeah, it came out yesterday
afternoon that at a certain point in the
morning, uh, the mayor of Salsbury,
Randy Taylor, I guess, was making a
right-hand turn, uh, somewhere near
Acme, uh, by South Salsbury Boulevard,
and a pedestrian, who I guess was in a
walker, uh, made contact with the back,
the rear of his vehic,
>> the rear of of of the car. No one was
injured. Um, they both refused medical
attention.
>> He remained at the scene.
>> He remained at the scene. And, uh, you
know, the authorities came in and took
police came, state police, excuse me,
state police came and did a standard um
BAC test, which is common in those uh
scenarios, and then they, you know, took
the report.
>> Okay.
>> And then later in the day at about 4:30,
the mayor's office released a uh
>> announcement just a
>> statement acknowledging it,
>> a statement updating it. Now, in the
meantime, a whole bunch of social media
photos and Facebook pages were sort of
taking it and in my opinion, sort of
jumping to some big conclusions that
aren't necessarily accurate and then
trying to sensationalize it for
sensationalize it for political
purposes.
>> Yeah. I mean, look, we we've obviously
been on our show many times speaking our
minds about the the government, but with
our names, our real names,
>> open agenda.
>> Yeah. I mean, we are an open agenda. Um,
but you know, we we're dealing with some
folks who are are using fake accounts
and that sort of thing. And this recall
Randy U platform is anonymous, which is
cowardly at at at best
>> at best. Not surprising, as J. Michael
Mitchell had said in a previous episode.
You know, a lot of these same players um
are sort of professional political um
>> or maybe semi-pro. semi. Yeah, I was
going to say, yeah,
>> one one comment I saw uh came from Joey
Gilkerson. Um and and look, I I respect
his his opinion on on whatever he wants,
and he did use his real name, and I'm
and and that I respect,
>> but but to call out the mayor for
something that has been investigated. No
charges have been filed. There's going
to be a report next week.
>> Yeah. And I mean I I remember back when
when that group was asking for a liquor
license expansion at their youth sports
complex uh just 6 months ago, seven
months ago.
>> U again supported by the county
executive and at one time supported by
part of the county council, I think four
of them.
>> But then they were caught serving
underage alcohol to a minor at a youth
sports complex. Y
>> and uh you know I've been very vocal
that I'm I'm active in youth sports in
our in our area. I no at no point in
time does alcohol make anybody a better
athlete or a better person. I mean a lot
of people can function with it and
that's fine but there's a lot of folks
who no one's better off and accidents
happen and I you know we don't know all
the circumstances. We're definitely not
defending Randy Taylor. We're just
stating the facts that are out there
right now,
>> right? We shouldn't be jumping to
conclusions on things. You know let let
the investigative process you know being
performed by law enforcement authorities
you know you know get completed and
we'll see what happened.
>> Excuse me. But this is the problem when
you bring in the social media dynamic is
that people then are going to run with
it immediately based on what advantage
can you gain from it. And so Joey
Gilkerson who has particular I you know
I think it's obvious very open political
acts to grant against the mayor who
really shouldn't be in a moral position
to criticize anybody in terms of alcohol
>> because it happens.
>> Yeah. I mean look if you're serving
>> you got to pay the price when it does
>> right. Absolutely. And if the if it
turns out the mayor, you know, is in
fact culpable in this, then he should be
held accountable. Um the the thing that
I that I have an issue with is people
bringing in um their political agendas
to this specific topic when it's not
relevant. And and just to speak on that
for a moment, one of the things that I
was particularly uh upset about was that
there were a lot of people who I know,
you know, who, you know, who even
politically I'm very much aligned with
as a progressive and they they brought
up the mayor's rejection or I guess
hostility toward the Pride Crosswalk um
in social media comments.
>> Yeah.
>> To sort of make a point about the
accident. like somebody said, "Well, I
guess you can at least say that the
Pride Crosswalk has never caused an
accident." Now, I don't know what what
that has to do with this car accident,
but I I thought about it. I was like,
"What if, god forbid, my son had been
hit by a car by the mayor or anybody and
somebody used that same comment to score
a cheap political point? How would I
feel about that?"
>> It really marginalizes the the people
involved. And we and we don't know, was
Mayor Randy Taylor the victim or was the
person in the crosswalk the victim? you
don't really know.
>> But yeah, when you when you politicize
everything,
>> it just you you you missed the person.
>> And I and I, you know, to be open about
it, sorry to cut you off, but I just
want to say this cuz I was sort of
involved in this. You know, there were a
bunch of people who online were kind of
criticizing me for carrying water for
the mayor or whoever. And I said,
"Listen, I'm not carrying water for
anybody. But I'm saying one thing. You
can't make everything about politics,
especially when it doesn't relate at
all. And you can't use sensationalist
stuff to jump to conclusions when
there's an in investigation. I would
want the I would I would want the same
courtesy to be applied to me or you or
Mike or anybody. And and it's really
disheartening when there are people who,
let's be honest, have political ambition
in upcoming elections who are trying to
game things right now for their own
purposes. It's really disgusting. Well,
when you're using character
assassination for political purposes, I
have a problem with that. You know, here
on Open Agenda, you know, we may attack
politicians, but we are attacking them
for their policies, for their conduct.
We're not attacking them personally.
We're attacking what they do. Um, in
this case, I think Mayor Taylor is being
attacked personally uh on an issue that
has nothing to do with the way he
governs, nothing to do with his
policies. So, you know, let's stick to
the policies and leave personalities out
of it.
>> And and that was that's been often my
response to sometimes when even I've
been kind of, you know, sort of
approached by some progressives. They
say, "Well, how can you be friendly with
the mayor over the Pride Cross?" I was
like, "Well, look, I disagree with the
mayor probably about 90% of the stuff.
I'm very supportive of the housing
policy because I think the housing
policy makes a lot of sense, but but
that doesn't mean that I'm going to go
out there and literally spread rumor or
or make accusations that I know aren't
accurate."
>> Yeah.
>> Um, to political objectives, people will
use any means necessary. And we see it
whether it's on the left or it's on the
right. We're seeing it from both sides.
Yeah, we have a lot of extremists on
both ends of the political spectrum and
this
>> and just ambitious people too who want
to
>> well there's a reason behind their
>> their ambition whether you take someone
like Jake Day who's who's a Democrat or
someone like Julie Gardon who's a
Republican is by splitting us up they
can they can control one side to the
other
>> divide and conquer.
>> Yeah, divide and conquer. But the truth
of the matter is just like in our in our
group, in our in our larger group, uh
the the people behind the camera and and
and the other parts of our group, it's
not a political thing. It's it's about
how do you live in your house? And Mike
Lang Michael Langford said it last week.
>> I don't really care as much about
national politics because it's not where
I live. I live here, right?
>> U any of us could be in a crosswalk and
have a pedestrian just a little bit too
close or we're closer than we think. And
if we stay at the scene and the police
are going to do an investigation, then I
think we're owed the benefit of the
doubt at least until the report comes
out. And then if there's consequences to
be paid,
>> absolutely,
>> they need to be paid. Let the facts come
out.
>> Yeah. Now, Mary Taylor did say, and we
can't really verify it, that the
gentleman's walker was broken or the
pedestrian's walker was broken
>> and a new walker was donated by the
Lions Club later that afternoon. Mhm.
>> Uh that's at least part of the
speculation, but uh you know that would
be the best happy ending for for for
>> good on the Lions Club. Thank you.
>> Well, thank you gentlemen. Appreciate
it.
>> Thanks for watching this episode of Open
Agenda. We'll be back next week with
another new episode.
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