County Councilwoman, Shanie Shields, joins us to discuss her opposition to the recurring liquor bills that the County Executive continues to prioritize. Ms. Shields concerns relate to the proven health and societal issues that result from the proliferation of bars and liquor stores. Is the Executive's push to expand the availability of alcohol related to campaign contributions from those who will benefit financially? Will the County Council do the right thing or will it capitulate to the pro-alcohol interests? Ms. Shields also shares her concerns about the County's forthcoming 287(g) agreement with ICE and the impacts it will have on minority communities and agricultural sector employers.
Open Agenda TV S2 E63 The Liquor Lobby, Shanie Shields, and the Westside
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host, Joe White.
>> Welcome to Open Agenda. I'm your host,
Joe White. In the studio with us is Mr.
Jim Atkins from Mardella. Thank you.
>> Dr. Joe Vanosa from Salsbury. Thanks for
coming out.
>> Thank you, sir.
>> So, uh, on this program, we're going to
bring in Councilwoman Shenie Shields.
Uh, she's District One Wakamaku County.
Uh, there's a couple topics in
particular I want to bring up with her.
Number one is the liquor bills and and
the reintroduction of another set third
year in a row. Uh [snorts] she has some
accomplishments in her district
including uh getting the renovation of
Indian Park uh Indian Village Playground
into Indian Village Park and I also want
to ask her about 287G and we have
covered this extensively but at the same
time this does not seem like this is a
subject that's going to go away until we
we have a vote or or a consensus not to
vote. Right. Mhm. [clears throat]
>> So, uh, Jim, would you stick around? I
want to bring in, uh, Councilwoman
Shields, and and then I'd like to bring
you back in and see what you think about
what she had to say.
>> I'm here.
>> Right. So, when we come back, we're
going to bring in Councilwoman Sheny
Shields, and we're going to ask her
about the liquor bills and 287G. So,
stay with us. We'll be right back.
Welcome back to Open Agenda. In the
studio with us now is Miss Sheny
Shields, Councilwoman from District 1,
Montcom County. Thank you for coming
out.
>> I'm glad to have be here. run my mouth.
>> Happy. Thanks for sticking around.
>> Yes, sir.
>> Oh, I hope you run your mouth some.
[laughter]
>> You do.
>> So, uh, a couple topics I want to talk
about today is one I want to discuss the
liquor bills. Uh, the the the zombie
liquor bills that are never undead.
They've come back to life once again.
And, uh, you were very articulate at the
last meeting. You just flat out said,
"I'm just not going to support them."
And I wanted to ask you why why do you
feel so strongly about that? I feel
strongly about it because I think we
have other issues number one,
>> okay,
>> to talk about besides liquor,
>> okay,
>> and we are a college town.
>> And um if you care about the young and
we talk about drugs and fentanyl and all
that, but you also have these college
kids, even other kids not necessarily
going to college, have these drinking
binges and stuff. And you have if you
read about the health situation, they
having more liver cancer and young
younger people getting colon cancer
earlier. You know, you think about older
people getting cancer as far as liver
and your organs. Young people now are
getting it. And I think we should not
promote
alcohol. Mhm.
>> And how I think these subjects come up
is when you take money
>> Mhm.
>> donations from people
>> Mhm.
>> then when you get in office, they expect
you
>> or [clears throat] want you to do
>> to deliver
>> favors for them. Mhm.
>> But you should make it clear to people
>> Mhm.
>> and don't accept money if they're going
to pressure you in in doing something
that you may not even want to do.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think liquor. We have a
dispensary.
>> And then you also have a class A store
over over by the college. You already
have a place.
>> That's right. That's right. And now they
want one not to have restaurants. M.
>> So, I think that when you drink, you're
supposed to eat,
>> especially if you're going to sit there.
If you're going to sit in a bar or or
something, you have to have
[clears throat] food.
>> Yeah.
>> And I think this is opening the door.
This particular issue, one of them is
going to open the door for saying,
"Well, he has it. How come I can't have
it?"
>> Oh, yeah. So that
>> well and Councilman Holloway said as
much that and and former delegate,
current Moore staffer, um Carl Anderson
publicly said, you know, we've we've
cracked open the door. Let's walk
through it. So
>> is truly amazing. I didn't think we'd
get here. I hoped we'd get here. Uh we
had obstacles all along the way, but we
got it. Despite the last minute
amendments and changes, we got it
through. And and now it's on to the next
step. Now that we cracked the door open,
we just might as well walk on through.
There's plenty of door metaphors and
plenty of drinks to go around it seems.
>> Yeah.
>> Like alcoholics and and I think
promoting like opening up uh uh
[clears throat] the yacht clubs or the
golf clubs or whatever 7:00 a.m. in the
morning. Well, [clears throat] the
person who wants to drink 7 in the
morning must be an alcoholic. So,
[laughter]
>> let's promote that.
>> Yeah, they're promoting that.
>> Look, I I used to be a golf course
superintendent. So, I mean, I have a lot
of experience on a golf course. And and
one of the things that you you can run
into by opening up that early that a lot
of folks who who aren't in that business
don't understand is that there are some
folks who are going to hang out all day
at the golf course. So, if they start at
9:00 in the morning, by 3:30, 5:30 in
the afternoon, they may not have just
played 18 holes. They may have played 27
or 36 holes. They may be part of a
tournament that's playing multiple
rounds that day. uh the the ability to
be inebriated by some point is is pretty
pretty high if you're going to start at
7 in the morning.
>> And and and by the way, I mean, I'll
mention I mean our current county
executive, she has experience, too. I
mean, she was a bevart driver on a local
golf course.
>> You've seen what people do. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, definitely. Um that uh so you you
have the ability to be driving a motor
vehicle. Granted, it's a golf cart. uh
in a state that you maybe can't handle.
So, we're we're daring the most ardent
people to to drink to start earlier.
>> And here's what I don't understand,
Michenny, and maybe you could help me
out on this one, but there I believe it
was uh Councilman Wyn and I think
[clears throat] Councilman Hastings at
some point, they both alluded to like
that some of these bills were literally
ridiculous, but they'll vote for it
anyway. And then I think it was Josh
Hastings that said, "Why are these bills
keep coming up?" And then Joe Holloway
said it's because people keep voting for
them. Which which Josh Hastings did. And
so I guess what I'm trying to get at is
you you reference the influence of
money. I think that's part of it for
some folks. But it seems to be too
there's just a lot of weakwilled people
who don't want to take a moral stand on
a community issue. Like that's how I see
it as a parent, as a teacher. People
that are not willing to just say there's
a right and there's a wrong and we
should maybe prevent the wrong from
getting worse. Well, I think that you
should vote for what's fair, not when
people tell tell you how to vote
>> or uh you can't tell me how to vote.
>> I believe that
you you get in office,
but you're supposed to have a mind of
your own and conscience.
[clears throat]
>> Not because you're a Democrat, not
because you're Republican or
independent. You're supposed to vote
what you think is fair. Now, I voted for
the Ross building
and I got a long dissertation from
some a person
want to know why, you know, don't
support this and blah blah blah. But the
reason why I support was simple.
He started the process.
He got the wrong information.
>> You see what I'm saying?
>> I [clears throat] didn't think it was
his fault.
>> First of all, I wouldn't have permitted
him to have a big building like that
anyway
>> in the first place.
>> But you weren't on the council at that
time.
>> I wasn't on the council. But but if I
was on the council, I wouldn't have
voted for that big building be up there
because it's taking the uh uh the
culture, the historical culture from
downtown, this big monster building.
Like
>> so I think that when I voted for the the
Horizon program I'm talking about,
>> Mhm.
>> we gave
the wrong form for the man to fill out.
>> Mhm. And we were
>> not not the council but the government
the finance department administration or
the finance department whoever it falls
under.
>> We gave him the wrong form.
>> So I voted that I didn't agree with my
vote but I voted because he was went
through the correct process when he
thought he was doing the right thing.
>> So I didn't I wouldn't have took that
out on him. I' I'd like to talk a little
bit more about the process where we're
at with the liquor bill because that
might be a little bit fuzzy for a lot of
folks out there. It was a work session
to talk about it uh with the board of
licensed commissioners. Uh Jennifer
Jordan came in the chair.
>> Uh what you all voted on that night was
a consensus to move forward and and it
passed four to three.
>> Uh one Democrat voted against it. you
two Republicans, uh, Vice President Jeff
Merritt and Councilman Joe Holloway both
voted against it.
>> Uh, so this is not a a partisan thing.
This is just, you know, a difference of
opinion.
>> Four members voted to proceed. So, it's
now going to come up to a resolution
uh not probably at the at the second
meeting in November, but the that
resolution would only be for a letter of
support to go to the Maryland delegation
who then has to go to Annapolis. My
point being there's still time for folks
to show up in person, speak at public
comments.
>> Bigger bills continually come up when we
have other issues to talk about,
>> deal with.
>> The priorities seem very out of whack.
Yeah,
>> alcohol is not a priority.
>> If this one does pass, there's going to
be another round of them next year. And
and ultimately, one of the things that
the county executive is is working
towards, whether she's willing to admit
it or not, is expanding the number of
liquor licenses in the county.
>> I know she is.
>> Well, the thing is, I mean, I think she
has admitted it because every year when
she has her big legislative breakfast
that most people can't eat the breakfast
at, but um when she has it, she releases
the priority list and every year there's
a series of liquor bills. this I mean
she may have been on the golf course
then selling beer but she's hawking it
for other people now it seems her donors
most of them are her donors and when you
do things like that
>> to me you're forgetting the little guy
>> because the person that wants the liquor
to uh license sell liquor he hasn't lost
any business
>> Mhm.
>> He hasn't lost any business.
>> Yeah. [clears throat] So if people going
bankrupt because they weren't selling
alcohol,
>> they'd be something different. They're
not going bankrupt. They're making
money.
>> Yeah.
>> They if they're making enough money to
give donations to politicians, they just
want to make more money. It's all about
money. It's not about the little guy.
It's not about the homeless people.
>> It's not about our children or our
students.
>> Children and not about the health.
They're not They don't care nothing
about money. And they buying
politicians. That's basically what it
is. They're just like you go to the
store and buy a sweater. They're buying
politicians and then the sweater is
supposed to keep you warm. So when the
politician gets in there, she's got to
keep them happy.
>> Well, I'll tell you what. I don't want
to drag this out any anymore cuz I think
I I need a drink after talking about all
this. [laughter] But
I really hope you know it's 4 to 3 right
now. There's a couple of people on that
council who I've heard have been told by
their religious leaders and by a couple
of community activists that it's not too
late to be a hero. You I know I'm not
expecting it. Yeah. No, you've been
doing it right. But but I I certainly
hope if there's any swing votes out
there, especially as they might think
about their own reelection, there's
going to be consequences for this vote
one way or the other.
>> Let's talk about something that positive
that you have accomplished. So the uh
Indian Village playground, okay, is
going to be renamed the Indiv Village
village park in the spring and is
received a large grant from Maryland
open space through the parks and recck
commission. Right. When I campaigned,
when I ran for county council, I called
the Indian Village playground a ghost
playground.
>> It wasn't familyfriendly.
They didn't have like barbecue grills.
They didn't have picnic benches, a
pavilion,
newer equipment. Um, that's what I
campaigned on.
>> And I also campaigned. And what
happened? They re we they received uh
Parks and Rec received $39,000
um to upgrade the playground and make it
more familyfriendly. Even the we found I
found that the swing was not the correct
swing to use.
>> Mhm.
>> Really?
>> Yeah. He had a playground consultant
came out.
>> I know exactly the one you're talking
about.
>> And and and it's it wasn't it wasn't
right. It wasn't up to date, you know,
to change.
>> Yeah. It was out of out of a code
component. [laughter]
>> Code. Yeah. Code.
>> The basketball court's been renovated in
the last year.
>> I think it was $90,000.
>> Mhm.
>> Or something they spent on the
basketball court, but um we had did a
survey.
Uh we had 23 responses, which was good
[clears throat]
>> for for my community. And uh we had
community input. the uh uh Sean Tucker,
Eddie Harmon, Eddie's son, another young
guy. [clears throat]
>> Uh uh Vanessa, who has a daycare. I made
her like the contact person. I like to
start things or I like to give ideas and
I let people take it over. I don't want
I don't like pats on the back. I like
basically work like in the background
type thing. Mhm.
>> And we had they had two designs and the
community picked uh the design too
uh out of the out of the surveys and
stuff and we went over we met and went
over. So now they took it to the the the
people that will finish it and start
working on it this winter.
>> So [clears throat] they're going to
start working on this winter and it will
be called the Indian Village Park
>> instead of playground
>> and it'll open up in the spring.
>> It should be. Yeah. I It's still open
now, but the the new renovated part of
it.
>> We're going to um uh do some landscaping
like in the entrance ways have some
landscaping type [clears throat] walking
trail. A walking trail like a I think
it's half a mile.
>> Yeah. Just more accessible.
>> Yeah. And the way is the walking trail
is you can go this way that way and get
to the basketball court and get to that.
I think we have bleachers.
>> Nice.
>> And so it's going to be nice. It's going
to be really nice. And it's that makes
me happy that that came about. And I
didn't even realize the grant was
coming. Uh uh Sheree, Delegate Sheree
Ser Hughes told me
>> at at a meeting when we had the
delegates there
>> and she said it would make me happy. It
really did.
>> Uh uh and then also um there's going to
be lighting
a lighting put in Sharp Town Playground.
Mhm.
>> And then uh Emerson Holloway playground
that's over by the nursing home and
where the new uh where the booth street
townhouse, you know, they built a new
house in there.
>> Uh they're going to have a consultant
for that.
>> Uh [clears throat]
the executive uh told me that um but
that's what's going to happen. I think
$35,000 just to have it
>> just start the planning process. plan.
>> And then the second thing that I
campaign on, we have an area called WT
over Hill. When I when I [clears throat]
used to when I grew up, you couldn't go
up there after dark because it was
gambling houses and all that kind of
stuff. But there's a lot lot of
substandard housing up there.
>> Mhm. And that's when I started uh
meeting with the code enforcement
officer to contact the owners of those
special those boarded up houses
>> to either make them livable or tear them
down. So one has been made livable.
>> Mhm.
>> And I said two was picked. I think it's
one been tore down and there's another
boarded up house which I want to follow
up on that to get rid of that. and um a
developer is talking about building a
new house
>> on that [clears throat] property.
>> Mhm.
>> And I talked with Lori Carter. Uh I
haven't talked to her lately about
finding funding
to clear out the wooded area across the
street. M
>> so if we do that that particular corner
at East Road and I think it's south uh
Northwest Overdrive,
>> it'll [clears throat]
be looking better. It'll be looking
better. And I know some pe me members of
the Haitian community cuz I went through
there.
>> Mhm. [clears throat]
>> And are red doing the either
cosmetically doing the outside. And I
thought it would be nice this spring
that I would donate a flower pot to each
house
>> on that particular street. I might
solicit it, solicit from friends, maybe
donate and and deliver them to the the
house
>> because we did that before the children
on Delaware Avenue many years ago. We
had the weed and seed program.
>> We did flower pot art.
>> Yeah.
>> And we had funding for big flower pots
and every house on Delaware Avenue got a
flower pot.
>> It's nice.
>> So, I was thinking about doing that. One
of my enduring memories from 2024 is I
took the time to ride around the
neighborhood with you and I you you
probably do this every day, but we made
six different stops. You would see
somebody and and you knew them, their
kids, sometimes their kids' kids and we
stopped and we had to find out how
second grade was going or college was
going. So I think uh you know someone in
your district who has the pulse on their
their communities.
>> Yeah. I I like I was telling I was born
and raised here.
I lived a total of
eight years and I came back here in 81
81 82
>> and I started getting involved with the
community basic that time. Mhm.
>> I didn't have a job,
but I volunteered
and I volunteered with the the migrant
population, and they were people at the
time that came up from Florida on buses
and and did the the harvesting.
>> Mhm.
>> Now, they don't do that anymore. So,
this [clears throat] is when the the
uh
Hispanic community
>> and some [clears throat] of the Haitians
community, most of the Haitians work in
the I think the the poultry plants.
>> Yeah. But um that was my that that was a
part time. Then I was working with
Delmore Ral Ministries to get rid of
migrant camps
>> because the migrants would work but the
crew leader would be the one to make the
money.
>> Yeah.
>> Because they had to store right on the
place and and all that.
>> It's amazing you say that cuz like
that's the era that I was born. But
that's something that in history we
think of as like the 1920s and 30s.
>> It wasn't that long ago. That wasn't
that long ago. Yeah. And they had a
camp, Richardson's camp. One of the
lawyers here had a camp called Richard's
camp. They didn't have running water.
>> Yeah.
>> So, so that was tore down. That was when
in my NAACP days.
>> And um so that was tore down and uh that
was an accomp accomplishment
>> for for that organization. We had we had
churches come from the western shore
that we did a march around the camp
>> and then the church adopted a family and
she didn't know how to live no other way
but they put her in a house that had
running water and yeah
>> but um
>> Councilwoman Shields I want to ask you
where do you feel like the process is on
the 287g MOA with it between the county
executive and and ICE
>> I and I'm a realist she'll probably go
along along with it.
>> Do you think the council's going to vote
on it? Do you think you all are going to
take the position that you should
>> someone I think we should individually
say how we feel about it?
>> Go on record. You mean
>> go on record? I think we should go on
record and say I'm for it or against it.
Well, I'm totally against it.
>> You're against any of the any of the
three models? Yeah, I'm against all of
it because I think if if a person's in
the process
of going getting their citizenship or
whatever they start, they should be be
allowed to finish, not snatch them out
of the courtroom. I think that if people
are working,
you don't know who they are. You don't
have their names. So, how do you know
they're a criminal and you just snatch
them up?
You leave them alone. If they're working
>> and and doing a service for somebody or
even doing a service for the community,
[clears throat] you see them cutting
grass and doing things for businesses.
Leave those people alone. You don't know
who they are.
>> You know, go after the criminals or the
people bringing in the drugs. I agree
with that.
>> But you don't go uh just cuz you walking
down the street and you know, it
traumatizes you.
>> We've heard that before. We've heard
that recently. It traumatized me. Now, I
was going down Delaware Avenue by First
Baptist Church in in St. James, and this
couple was walking down the street with
their children.
And all I could think about was ICE
coming and snatching them up
>> and taking those children somewhere.
[clears throat] I shouldn't have to feel
that way.
>> And I think about those dear little
children that they have caged up. Where
are they at?
>> We don't know, right?
>> You don't know. Somebody's paying for
it. somebody's paying for their care.
>> Yeah.
>> They're not just out there not being
cared for or starved to death.
>> So, it's kind of and and to your earlier
point,
>> it's a moral issue as well as a
logistical one. Yeah.
>> And a financial
>> and a financial
>> I mean, we we talked very much about the
last we finally got a work session back
in October,
>> but the financial obligations still have
not been answered. And and uh Oh, yeah.
There's there's there's this
>> open pay something. and the money that
we're paying to grab people off the
street, we should be finding an answer
>> to the homeless people.
>> Yeah.
>> Now, [clears throat] I do want to say
our county executive did say twice that
this is budget neutral.
>> Um, a lot of uh misinformation that is
out there is the cost that the county
will bear. So, the way that we have
worked this out with the sheriff's
office and with corrections, it's
basically budget neutral. It is not
costing the taxpayers anything. These
things the deputies already do. They
already serve warrants. That's literally
part of their job. Our correctional
officers already hold people in our
correctional facility. So, they are
literally doing their job on the clock.
So, it is c it is it is budget neutral.
>> I don't know if we owe it to her to
believe that. I've never have heard the
government ever do anything that is
budget neutral, but she said it and said
it twice.
>> I can't answer that. I have said it
before, believe it. You know, one of
them things. I don't know. You know,
>> well,
>> it's it's going to take away for another
a project that's more important.
>> Exactly.
>> And see, we we should put our community
first.
>> Yeah. We prioritize stuff, but what do
we prioritize? What
>> it seems you have mentioned a lot, you
know, should be the role of local
government to defend the little guy,
right? But we're not really defending
them with this county government right
now.
>> Well, thank you for coming out
>> and thanks for inviting me and listen to
my mouth. anytime and we hope that you
come back when there's more updates. So,
>> okay. Yeah.
>> Thank you.
>> Thanks for watching this segment of Open
Agenda. We'll be right back.
>> Welcome back to Open Agenda. Back in the
studio with us is Mr. Jim Atkins from
Mardella.
>> Dr. Joe, thanks for sticking around.
>> Thank you.
>> So, uh it was interesting to get the
chance to speak with Councilwoman Cheney
Shields. Um
let's start with the liquor bills. I
mean the and and we talked about in this
segment, this is not a done deal. This
will only pass four to three with a
consensus just to move forward to a vote
for a letter recommendation.
Uh and and as as Joe said that there
does need to be a couple council people
who are maybe not quite as sure as some
of the other ones. Uh Jim, what do you
what do you think that folks need to get
out there and say to their elected
officials?
I I really think that they just need to
uh to let them know that uh it's money
that's driving this. This is three years
in a row we've talked about liquor in
Wakcomo County.
>> I don't know how many years prior to
that you never heard anything about
alcohol in Wakcomo County.
>> Mhm.
>> And uh now it's a yearly event and
things need to happen. I mean it was a
four to three vote.
I know there are two votes
that are etched in stone won't change.
>> Uh so we still have two council members
that that may be able to be persuaded
that uh it's time to put an end to this.
Let's just move on, deal with things
that are important to this county and
and not worry about liquor.
>> You know, it's it's Halloween season.
Let's kill a zombie bill.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You need a silver bullet
>> or a bat, right?
>> You get a little garlic
>> head shot.
>> Yeah.
>> So, uh, 287G, uh, that was very
important to talk about, Councilwoman
Cheney Shields. Uh, and and we've talked
about it plenty on this show,
but the reason why this isn't going away
is because the public is really just
been fed this information in small
increments. Um, I want to ask you too,
like do you feel like the public has
still a voice and and should they still
be trying to get out there in front of
their elected officials?
>> Yeah, I do. I do. I think a lot of this
287
is driven by national news. And no
matter what we talk about on this show,
what subject we always stress and come
back to,
this is local.
What the council and the executive
decide has nothing to do with national
politics. It has to do with the people
that live in Wakcomo County.
>> So take care of the people in Wakcomo
County. You've got the agricultural
industry, you got the post uh the
poultry industry, you got the healthc
care industry, and you got the
construction industry,
>> which probably account for 80 to 85% of
the jobs in Wakcomo County.
>> And this affects all four of those
industries. That's the mindboggling
thing about this whole discussion is
like you know for industries that have
also a lot of influence and money you
would think why aren't they able to
exert some concern
>> I think it comes back to this national
debate uh you know do
>> are you do you have enough
>> u confidence to speak it speak out
against something that maybe your
national political party
>> is their rhetoric says I mean I'm a
Republican and right now if you're not a
MAGA Republican, you're you're kind of
forced to to to the edges. Uh look, to
me, this is just a this is just a local
issue. And how should we how should we
deal with it here? I I could I mean,
nationally, we look at it a different
way.
>> Yeah. How how should we deal with it
here? And unfortunately, this 287g
appears to be another situation where
people think it doesn't affect them.
>> Mhm.
>> And then all of a sudden down the road,
it affects them.
>> Mhm.
>> And they don't like it.
>> Mhm.
>> Well, you should have not liked it from
the beginning because it's going to
affect you down the road. again
agricultural,
>> poultry, healthcare, construction,
>> and go. No, you go.
>> Well, and some of that too is is the
fact that the perception drives the
effect, right? So even if people don't
really fully know specifically what the
287g program and why como is that just
by hearing it right if you're a poultry
operator is it going to be easier or
more difficult for you to get people to
come in of immigrant background to work
in Wakcomo County because you've got all
the news of 287g right
>> and my point was going to be any
politician who does support this and
then realizes it later that it was a
mistake is not likely to own up to it. I
mean, you can't expect that out of
regular politicians that they're
actually going to be accountable to
actions. No, but it is I think important
as Macheny said and as other people have
said is that even if the council doesn't
necessarily have the authority on some
of these agreements, it's good that they
put it out on the record because and
I'll say this hopefully at a future
meeting, but it'll be good to go on
record because forever in this county,
you can look at the people in the
community, especially the group that are
coming up to be the future of this
county, and like it or not, many of them
are immigrants or immigrants children.
You're going to go out on that table,
whether you're John Cannon or Jeff
Merritt or Josh Hastings or James Win or
whoever, and you're going to say, "We
support this or we don't support this,
and you're sending a message to all
those people, whether you realize it or
not."
>> Well, thank you both. I appreciate your
insight into that, and uh we're going to
keep on this story. Okay. So, thanks for
watching this episode of Open Agenda.
We'll be back later this week with
another new episode.
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