We conduct a candid interview with April Jackson, the newly selected president of the Salisbury City Council. President Jackson will explain the circumstances that compelled council members to reorganize their principal officers and shares her visions for the future of Salisbury. Whether you're a city or county resident, we're all impacted by what happens in Salisbury so please tune in and be informed.
Open Agenda TV: S3 E12 April Jackson Discusses the Forward Progress of Salisbury City Council
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You're watching Open Agenda. Here's our
host, Joe Venosa.
>> Welcome back to Open Agenda. This week
we have a very special guest in the
house for an exclusive interview is the
new president of the city council of
Salsbury, Miss April Jackson.
>> Very nice.
>> Yeah. Big changes our foot in the city
and we're going to get a chance to talk
about that. Uh with us in the house for
the analysis, of course, it's today
another Joe show. We got Joe White from
Parsonsburg.
>> Thanks for having me out.
>> Thank you, sir. and we got Mr. Josephino
from Salsbury.
>> Um, so as we've covered before on some
previous episodes, uh, there was a a
major shakeup of the city council
reorganization.
>> Some would say a major sort of deposing
of the old order. Um, but I think we
would all agree that the direction of
the city government is going to be very
different and and hopefully much more
forward-looking and active. This sounds
like this was uh organic in the in the
sense that there were concerned citizens
coming to the public comments asking for
appointment reform. It just wasn't
happening. And Melissa Holland among and
others stepped up and said, "Look, we
need to take a leadership role and get
this done."
>> Yeah. I I and I think I think it was
back burned because
people like the past president, they
were going to lose control of the
appointment process. I think they wanted
to maintain control of that process
instead of opening it up and reforming
it.
>> I think when you factor in the delay on
the appointment process, the push by
outside lobbyists for rank choice
voting.
>> Hello, my name is Michelle Whitaker. I'm
the executive director for Rank Choice
Voting Maryland. We are a statewide
organization. Um, and then of course the
things that we've heard about how the
city clerk was was frankly treated by
the former president of the city council
and and I feel bad even saying it
because you know these are real people
but but unfortunately this is no secret
at this point.
>> Yeah, it was an open secret. I do think
we're seeing a diminishing influence of
former mayor Jake Day and his influence.
I think rank choice voting was almost
maybe a a lastditch desperation to kind
of maintain control. M
>> and I think they were banking on being
able to control the appointed U.
Councilwoman Holland and they realized
that
>> it didn't work.
>> It's interesting you say that because
the um collapse of the rank choice
voting issue was mentioned by a uh
lobbyist who was fairly high up in
Annapolis who's close to the former
mayor and he actually called our system
and I it's not an exact quote but but I
I believe it's close. He called it
creaky and antiquated,
>> which is interesting to me because our
nonpartisan
system is actually fairly standard
throughout the state of Maryland.
>> Well, and as Joe's talked about, the
statistics in the last 11 years don't
bear out that we need it. It's
statistically
moot and it's it's so crazy. And you
know, sometimes you get folks who are
just ideology, they just get so bent on
it that they forget. Yeah,
>> and I think the highly emotional
reaction that this lobbyist had to it
was an indication to your point that it
would seem the city influence is moving
in a different direction.
>> Um, and it's not to say against the
former mayor or toward the new one, but
just toward a new maybe more open era
where the the machine politics that that
has defined Salsbury perhaps is is
turning a corner. Right now you have two
Republicans and Sharon Deeil and Randy
Taylor and and two Democrats and April
Jackson and Melissa Holland who have
shown that they can put party politics
aside and get working on the city.
>> Now we only have two left in the
minority of folks who want to put party
first
>> and ideology first above the city's
interest
>> and u they're no longer in positions of
authority. So
>> that would that would seem like a pretty
good
>> good observation.
>> Good observation. [laughter] Yeah.
>> So we don't need to make this partisan.
No,
>> I think we we're proving that. Not we
I'm not there, but they're proving that
in that in that experiment and
>> and I think we're going to finally see
that experiment play out as we get into
next week.
>> I'm excited for the city of
Everybody is Everybody is.
>> And the best part is if you laugh
loudly, you might not have the police
called on you.
>> Yeah.
>> Hopefully. We'll see.
>> Or Yeah.
>> But um tell you what, what I'd like to
do is I'd like to bring in our new
council president uh for a few minutes.
And what what I'd like to do uh this Joe
is um if if you could come back for uh
the last segment and this Joe and I will
will talk to Miss April about
specifically not only what happened but
what her vision is as the new president
and where she sees uh the council and
the executive branch moving forward
together on
>> Absolutely. I can't wait to see what she
has to say.
>> Yeah. No, she's she's always a treat.
Great. All right. Thank you. Joe, are
you going to stick around?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Thank you, sir. All right. All
right, we'll be right back with our next
segment of Open Agenda with City Council
President April Jackson.
Welcome back to Open Agenda. So, this
week we have the newly christened city
council president with us, [laughter]
Miss April Jackson.
>> Hi, how are you?
>> Thank you for joining us. And back with
us in the house is city resident Jessica
Fenino. Welcome back.
>> So, President Jackson, uh, a lot of lot
of big things have happened uh in city
government the last couple weeks,
obviously.
>> Yes. Um there was uh what I would say
and and I think what others would say
was a pretty surprising unexpected
reorganization that occurred uh not too
long ago uh at the earlier part of
February. And uh now you find yourself
as the new council president.
>> Mhm. Yes.
>> Again. And then you have Michelle who's
the vice president.
>> Yes.
>> And I guess the question becomes um at
this point what was your initial
reaction uh when that reorganization
happened? totally shocked,
totally taken back. It was just like my
mouth got caught in it. I was like,
"What in the world?" And if you can
remember, if you look at the um the
video,
>> I call for a motion of a reorganization
of the city council.
>> You made a motion.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> I second.
>> I said, "Did you make a motion
to Melissa?" She said, "Yes, I made a
motion." And I was like, "Okay, let's
how are we going to move forward with
this?" I mean, it was totally um by
surprise. And everybody thinks that it
was and everybody think we knew about
it. No, we did not.
>> I think if you watch the video, you can
see the shock on certainly your face and
other people's face
>> and the audience.
>> I I I brought this up, but like if you
watch the front row of
audience members when it happened, they
all pull out their phones [laughter] and
start texting somebody like something's
about to go down.
>> Yes. So, so this was really a big shock
then that that you didn't anticipate um
but yet now you find yourself in the
president's chair.
>> Yes.
>> So I guess the question becomes um as
city council president what vision do
you have um going forward in that role
and and also what do you think are the
big priorities that as president you're
hoping to tackle? Um, the biggest
priority I see is bringing the
council
and the executive body together as a
whole because we'll never move this
forward if we're not on the same page.
Um, we don't have to always agree, but
we need to the communication has to
there's communication barrier and we
have to get past that communication
barrier. We have to communicate. Um and
as far as the council is concerned, um
we must work together. As I said, the
executive body should we have to be on
on task. You know, um moving the city
forward is basically what I want to do.
I mean, however, I have to I will
>> um I don't have an agenda per se. Not a
personal agenda. It's just opening up,
letting the um citizens know there's
transparency. Um
we want we want transparency and we want
means of communicating.
>> So is it fair to say that in a lot of
ways your new presidency is really about
repairing some of the damage that seems
to sort of have happened recently?
Because I I don't think it's
controversial to say that a lot of
people have observed a lot of
dysfunction under the previous
president's tenure.
>> Previous two. Yeah. Previous.
>> Well, it it does we it does need some
repairing. It definitely does need
repairing because we were all out of
sorts, you know, and I think that um
repairing
are fixing what has been broken
>> because and always we've been violated,
you know, and we violated our citizens.
Um they can't trust us. And I honestly
understand why. I do understand why.
>> Um and we have to win their trust back.
Mhm.
>> So, like I said, working together, it
it's it's it's a whole different picture
when you're working together. It brings
about a vibrant city. It brings back
trust, brings back transparency. And
that's what I want. And that's what we
need. And I I'm going to say this, it's
not what I want because I'll say this,
you know, you hear people say I or me.
No, it's we. We need to bring restore
the trust back to the citizens to let
them know that we're working to make to
move this city forward.
>> And you know, um, political parties, it
doesn't matter because we have people of
all
political parties.
>> Yeah.
>> Here in the city of Salsbury. So when we
work for one, we should be working for
all.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's what I we want I want to do.
That's what we want to do, you know. And
I keep saying I and I don't mean I
because I don't take this for
[clears throat] granted and I don't take
it as I'm a oneman show because I'm not
a oneman show.
>> That's what I'm not. It it's going to
take us all
>> to do what's right including the
executive
>> branch of the city government.
>> What do you think, Joe? because you've
again as a city resident observed a lot
of these issues in the past and I I I
think what President Jackson is talking
about in regards to kind of putting the
personal agendas to the side and and
having a consensus. It seems that now
with the mayor and with it would seem
not only you but with two other members
that seem to want to build a consensus
at least to work with the executive that
that [clears throat] there really is
some potential for
moving forward rather than sort of just
uh spinning our wheels. What do you
think? Is that
>> I I agree. I mean I've been here six and
a half years.
I started attending meetings about two
years ago and right away I recognized it
was kind of dysfunctional
and and one of the things my wife and I
realized it was a beautiful city has a
lot of potential and uh it wasn't being
realized and you know as I learned
things that had happened um I I wanted
to see changes and we're finally at a
point where I think we can now move
forward. Uh I think there's a lot of
potential now to get things
>> well let's well let's and and and let's
talk about that further because
[clears throat]
now that we are past the reorganization
process and now it seems that we're
moving forward you know with a somewhat
>> unified council and executive at least
in terms of at this point it would seem
three three members plus the mayor. Um
we have budget season coming up.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. So that so so the timing for this
is actually quite good because this is
really where the rubber meets the road
>> and it takes working with the council
>> for the budget.
>> And do you see any particular areas of
concern as president uh in in regards to
the city's budget and funding priorities
that you're hoping to address or sort of
clarify with the mayor's office?
>> Well, from what I can understand, a lot
of the department has not asking for a
lot because they they know that right
now we're in somewhat of a deficit. So
they're not requiring a lot this year
and we're going to give what we can
give. You can't, you know, they say you
can't get blood out of the turnup.
>> Yeah.
>> So you can't get what we don't have. And
I don't want to put us in a further def
deficit, but in all we're going to be
working together. We're going to be
doing this together. It's not about just
me doing the budget or examining the um
mayor's budget.
>> We all examine that mayor's budget
before we get to the table.
>> Yeah. and actually discuss it. we should
be all getting together and sen the
budget the the actual schedule is out
>> and when [clears throat] the budget goes
out we can sit down and we can say okay
this is what we're going to do and and
we've done that for years because even
with Jack Keith we've always had a
discussion and I think last
[clears throat] the I think it was last
year even with Deshawn it we did pretty
good and it it moved kind of smoothly I
can't take anything from it you know
from him anyway it it went kind
smoothly. But what we have to realize is
prior to
[cough]
[clears throat]
>> how we got into these deficits
>> and try not to get back into them again.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, so sitting down discussing
with the council
>> could be a great thing, you know, and
and they're ready to do that. At least
at least three of them are. Okay.
>> I don't know about the other two, but I
know at least three of them are. And
hey, um, if she want to join in and and
which they have, all right, I could
never deny them. That's what I want to
do. I don't want us to be sitting at a
at a um meeting and we have to be at
each other's throats. I want us to be
able to be adults about what we're
doing, professional.
>> Well, and especially working on the
budget, right, where where you have to
be at that table and because these
numbers matter in a lot of ways because
they're people's lives. There are
resources. Yes, they are. So,
>> yes, they are. And you know, I don't
want to have to take any more from our
citizens.
>> Yeah.
>> You know, um I want people to live the
quality of life that they deserve. And I
think our citizens deserve a lot better
than what they've got.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, and and it seems too
that, you know, to your point about the
budget and the city's interest, that
there are a lot of projects that both
the council and the mayor's office are
pretty
>> um
more or less in compliance with in the
sense of the North Prong Park project,
which is very dear to you, that's also
very important to the mayor from what he
said. And and and these projects are
moving along. Yes. The Westside
Community Center obviously is another
major thing that's that's been so so
it's it's [clears throat] unfortunate
that
>> in watching some of the dysfunction
that's played out on the council in
recent years that's hopefully now a
thing of the past. There are still
things getting done.
>> Yes, there are. Yes, there are. And I
can give it all to the mayor and the
administration. Um and working with them
has been a pleasure to me. Um it's not
much I haven't asked for for my district
or for the city, the entire city that I
haven't gotten. you know, he's done a
great job with the infrastructure, the
roads
>> and things and, you know, a lot of
people want to take credit for that, you
know, but the credit goes to the mayor.
>> Mhm.
>> You know, for his work because he has
done some great things and, you know, I
know everybody probably won't agree with
me
>> on some things. And like I said again,
it doesn't matter the political party.
It it whatever what to me is the heart a
man
>> you know what is what's his heart you
know and it doesn't matter I don't care
who you are
>> you know let's come together and let's
make sure that this city is run properly
and we get through whatever we have to
>> I I like that phrase of you know have it
be run properly because I think most
people agree that when it comes
especially to local politics and that's
something that we've strive for on our
show is you know we very much disagree
agree perhaps on state or national
issues, but historically local politics
and local issues are not partisan,
right? Like North North Park is not a
Republican issue or a Democratic. No,
it's not.
>> And you're a Democrat, he's a
Republican. Sharon Tashil's a
Republican. Melissa Holland's a
Democrat. So you have two Democrats and
two Republicans, but you're looking at
local issues as the thing that brings
together
>> and that's what we should be doing.
>> Salsbury first.
>> Yes. It shouldn't be about a political
party [clears throat]
because like I said, we represent them
all. Yeah.
>> I mean, so I don't see how we can, you
know, just say, "Okay, we want what the
Democrats want.
>> I want what we need."
>> I want what we need, not what a Democrat
want wants. What would a Republican
want? We all come to the table.
Everybody gets their fair share of
everything.
>> Yeah.
>> And that's how it should be. And that's
how the city should be run. I I can't
for the life of me, I don't understand
how
>> when we get up there, you know, it's you
got your own personal agendas. You got
what you want to see done, but it's not
brought before the whole council.
>> Everything that we want to have done
should be brought before the whole
entire council.
>> Yeah. Yeah. And it would seem too that
when you have the local community
involved and they feel that things are
of a good accord, you'll get more
participation.
>> Yes.
You know, one of the things that has
been brought up recently and and I think
this was somewhat of the argument for
people that were pushing for rank choice
voting is they were arguing that our
voter turnout is so low um that it
needed to change. But you could make the
argument that there's a lot of other
reasons why our turnout is so low. You
know, we have a lot of high renters. We
have a lot of, you know, transient
people, you know, and then, of course,
if you do see dysfunction in city
government, you're probably going to be
less inclined to participate.
>> That's right. That's right. You
[clears throat] can see where you can
trust
>> the people who are sitting in this seat
because the people put us here.
>> Yeah.
>> Our citizens put us in these places. So,
is it not fair that we don't represent
them? Mhm.
>> We should be representing our citizens
and we should be forthcoming with
information. We should The communication
>> that I think that we should be giving to
our citizens hasn't been
>> forthcoming.
>> That's been the biggest complaint is the
transparency. You hear and you hear it.
>> So hopefully that's going to change.
>> Yeah. Well, do you see um with you role
as president sort of more efforts to
engage the public as issues come up? For
example, I believe um you're going to
address the appointment process very
soon.
>> Yes.
>> And there was a notice put out not too
long ago about that, you know, for a
special meeting. So So it seems that the
this is now beginning to play out
exactly as you you you would have hoped.
>> Well, what's more important first?
You know, I I've said it numerous times
at our city council meeting. The
appointment process is very very
detrimental because of how it went this
last appointment time. And
who knows whether I may get sick, can't
return, Melissa, whatever, any
circumstances or whatever. Sharon
>> and or either Michelle or Angela and we
don't have our appointment process in
place.
>> Yeah. So we do we go through the same
thing again and it's unnecessary when we
should be taken care that is vital right
now to our city because when those
people the citizens spoke
>> Yeah.
>> They told us what they wanted.
>> Yeah.
>> Now not everything you want you may get
and that that's been told to me since a
[clears throat] child [laughter] but
you'll get what you need what is much
needed and this is needed. This is
needed you know. So we we we've got to
do what's right by the people right.
They spoke and we have to listen.
>> All right. And now the change is going
to be coming up. Yes. So,
>> and it takes a lot of pressure off the
council. Once once once we get this
process straight, we won't have to deal
with the uh
>> the issue again.
>> So, for the public's [clears throat] uh
benefit and we're looking at a March
12th meeting, correct? For the
appointment process.
>> No, February.
>> February
>> 23rd.
Special work session.
>> You [clears throat] were thinking of the
town hall. orders and the code of
conduct.
>> Okay. Okay. So, yeah, that's what I was
thinking of in town hall.
>> No, no, no, no.
>> So, it's coming up even faster. So,
February 23rd, next week.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Well, I think the public now
hopefully is is going to get to see some
of those changes that you were talking
about as things begin to move forward.
>> I just want to be, and it's not that I
want to be. I just want to make sure
everybody is happy, at least the
majority of us are are content with what
is going on in the city. And I just want
to bring that wholeness and I want to
bring that transparency
>> and [clears throat] I want to bring the
ability that you know to be able to
communicate with the citizens as I have
been already. I have great communication
with my citizens, the citizens that I
serve and other citizens in other
districts have come to me. I just want
to make sure everything is fine. you
know, we can't. This is something that
we just have to get past, you know, and
these party um affiliations are just
tearing my nerves up for real.
>> It's a distraction.
>> Yeah, it is. It's just tearing my nerves
up. And you know, I I am a Democrat, but
>> I'm for what's right.
>> Yeah.
>> I've been called um pro- Randy and No,
I'm not pro Randy. I'm pright. It's
what's right. If Ry's right, I'll agree.
If rain is wrong, I'll disagree.
>> And you have so Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's
as if compromise has become a dirty
word, especially when when it's about a
breadandbut issue that most people would
agree.
>> And we have to compromise. We have to
come together and make sure things are
done right. Even if we don't agree,
>> we got to be more logical and say,
"Okay, now look, analyze it. Is this
what's best for the city?" Mhm.
>> You know, even though I may not agree
with it, if this is what best and then
we all come to the consensus, okay,
April, let's let's let it go. Let's let
it let's see how it works.
>> I'm fine with it,
>> you know, cuz I'm just not the only
person sitting in there. [clears throat]
I have to listen to the other ears
>> and the other mouths, you know, that are
speaking on our council,
>> right?
>> So,
>> well, we're we're we're going to see
that play out hopefully pretty soon. So,
I think uh the big buzzword or term is
wait and see because it's coming up
soon. So, we'll be excited to see what
happens at that 23rd meeting on next
week. So,
>> President Jackson, congratulations again
on your new position coming out and
thank you for talking with us.
Absolutely.
>> Stick around and we'll be right back
with our next segment of Open Agenda.
>> Welcome back to Open Agenda, otherwise
known as the Three Joe's Show today. Um,
so back with us in the house is Joe
White and sticking with us of course is
Mr. Joe Scafino. So, let's go to this
Joe first. Um, I I'm curious what you
thought of somebody not named Joe, uh,
our new council president, Miss April
Jackson. Uh, what do you think about
sort of this moment as she takes the
helm? What was your, uh,
>> uh, I'm excited for the city. Um,
watching her in action the last two
years, uh, I've learned that she's
someone who not only talks the talk, but
she walks the walk. And I think that's
going to be a great benefit, uh, of any
leader. And uh I'm looking forward to to
her her leadership.
>> Yeah. Seems like a straight shooter.
>> Absolutely.
>> Yeah. How about you, Joe?
>> Well, I mean, look, on national
politics, I I don't agree with Miss
Jackson on very much, but I do love her
passion for the city of Salsbury, and I
do agree with what Josephino just said.
I've never questioned whether or not I
understood how she how she felt about a
subject. Mhm.
>> And most importantly, when I've watched
before they did the change to to insert
her as president, she kept coming back
to we need to get appointment reform
done. We need to get So, you know, when
someone's a broken record, but it's so
consistent. I I I now have confidence
they can get this done.
>> Yeah. And you know, to that point, and
of course I was was wrong about the
date, but that that um issue is going to
be addressed very soon.
>> Special work session. special work
session February 23rd coming up next
week. And so we're going to finally see
moving on something that I think we all
would agree the previous council
president did not really want done. It
seemed
>> there was a there to me there was a tell
at the end of the last city council
meeting. Uh, obviously former President
Angela Blake had been moved over to
another seat, but when he got to council
comments, she started going back through
the agenda of things she wanted to talk
about again. Affordable housing.
>> Um, it's been a very big several busy
weeks. Um, and I think the council does
have a lot to be proud of. Um there's
several housing items that are moving
forward and we're approaching on
addressing um issues with lowincome
based housing and multif family housing
developments and I have more details
about that in just a minute. Um other
points of interest um a housing policy
discussion is um emerging as we go in to
March. We'll be talking about um
sharing a preliminary information on
about Maryland uh jurisdictions that
require and encourage a percentage of
the new housing developments to include
lower income housing opportunities.
These are examples um that will provide
for discussion and um again I know for
two years the council had um been
beating the drum of this project. I know
the council's been talking about that
for several years. You've been
championing that for a while. So we are
um on the verge of talking about that.
Let's see our homelessness again. Um in
November we had uh some homeless experts
come um looking at a date to come back
and talk about the homelessness uh topic
as a whole is in June but starting to
plan and program now is very important.
So those things are coming on the
horizon. So the council has done a lot
of amazing things. um
>> appointment reform, election reform.
>> It was the greatest hits record. Yeah.
>> The greatest hits or maybe like the
worst hits.
>> Well, it was like it it was like that
album that was never released, you know.
>> It just it reminds me back in college,
professor, that just lectures over the
same thing, but you never move the the
class along.
>> Yeah.
>> And and you saw so many people go up in
public comments and say, "Hey, can we
get this done? Can you talk about
appointment reform? Can we get this
done?
>> We don't need to talk about it anymore."
Michael Langford said it really well.
Their job is to legislate and they
weren't legislating, but I bet they do
now.
>> I I think it's going to be interesting
to see like what actually happens now
that we've got not only this issue on
the main table finally after being on
the back burner for God knows how long.
But we also have budget season coming
up. We've got a lot of projects, right?
The capital improvement plan was
presented. So, I agree. I I think now
[clears throat]
you're going to actually see some stuff
getting done. And I think to your point
earlier and and also yours, you know,
President Jackson, whether you agree or
disagree with certain positions, whether
it's locally, nationally, or at the
state level, you know exactly where she
stands on those issues and she will
prioritize the things that she wants to
and otherwise maybe won't, but but you
will know.
>> I've always admired U. New Vice
President Sharon Deile. I mean, I think
she's a strong conservative. she's boots
on the ground when it comes to to
working, you know, with with her
community, the ones who are needy and
the ones who are just looking to move up
to the next level.
>> Her and President Jackson have been so
communicative to to each other despite
the fact they were kind of shoehorned
into the corner for a while. They stayed
patient.
>> Yeah.
>> They still did the people's work.
>> The people's work. Yeah.
>> And now those two ladies
>> will be a very dynamic. I mean, a
Republican and a Democrat. Not that it
really matters much in this city.
>> I don't think they see it. Yeah.
>> They don't see it that way, but I think
I think I think the city of Salsbury
will be much better served with those
two there.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm I'm I'm excited like
to Oh, absolutely.
>> To your point, and it'll be interesting
to see now if the executive branch, the
department heads, and the council, and
let's be honest, the clerk
>> Yeah. now can all move together of one
accord now that it would seem that this
change has has happened and now there's
a there's a a path forward.
>> Uh Mayor Taylor has had a I think a
fairly ambitious plan especially when it
comes to getting some of the development
projects not not development like
housing necessarily but parks and
drainage issues and that sort of thing.
>> Yeah.
with a with a council that wasn't always
present, maybe lived across the bridge,
>> uh who just wasn't willing to work with
him, was more interested in where he was
eating his lunch. Now, you actually have
people, at least three of them, who are
looking to make Salsbury a better place.
So, let's watch him do it.
>> Yeah, I think I I think that's really a
good way to put it and certainly to end
it as we look to next week to hopefully
see some of this actually transpire.
Sure.
>> So, gentlemen, thank you for coming in.
Appreciate it. We will keep the public
updated as we get into not only the next
meeting but in the coming months as some
very big developments happen. So, thank
you so much for sticking around with us
this week for open agenda. We'll see you
next week.
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